Andre Cluytens, the Paris Conservatoire Orchestra, and the Columbia Ravel Orchestral Works Recordings
Beginning in 1961, Andre Cluytens and the Paris Conservatoire Orchestra (PCO) recorded the complete orchestral works of Maurice Ravel, a 4 LP set that has been cherished by music lovers and collectors since its release in 1962-1963. These are beautiful interpretations and performances of these works that really showcase the orchestra's colors, textures, and timbres. While there have been many fine subsequent recordings of the complete orchestral works of Ravel (the ones from Jean Martinon [EMI], Seiji Ozawa [Deutsche Grammophon], and Stanislaw Skrowaczewski [Vox] come to mind), this one is one of my personal favorites.
The Cluytens/PCO Ravel recordings have been issued and reissued on LP and CD in multiple incarnations over the years, and you can pretty much listen to all of this music for free now on Youtube as well, which makes the set very accessible. Acquiring the original UK Columbia SAX releases has become an option limited to those with very deep pockets; those of you who have been closely following the used classical LP market are well aware that the original box set as well as its individual four LPs sell for considerable sums of money. As examples:
- According to Popsike, the UK Columbia box set SAX 2476-9 has sold for a median of $701 USD and a high of $4480 USD. This median is an underestimate as the search results (I used the search terms "Cluytens SAX 2476-9") included auctions for the later Testament EMI box set reissue and a Japanese reissue, both of which sell for much less. Clean copies of the original SAX box set appear to go for at least $2000 USD. I've seen sellers on Ebay start the auction at over $3000 USD.
- Individual LPs in the set in clean condition generally sell for several hundred USD apiece. There are a few on Ebay at this very moment.
Around the early 2010's, I picked up a near mint copy of the Testament EMI box set reissue from an online store for roughly $125. That was not a small sum of money, but I thought it was "reasonable" for an out-of-print audiophile reissue. It was a beautiful set that was a decent replica of the originals with the noticeable exception that the box cover and the record labels bore an "EMI" logo rather than the original "Columbia" logo. The record surfaces were very quiet, and the sound quality was, in my opinion, very good. Sadly, I didn't end up keeping this set.
Testament EMI reissue |
Shortly thereafter, around 2013, I began my exploration of the Columbia SAX discography (at least the LPs I could acquire) and, in the process, sadly discovered that the original Cluytens recordings were simply beyond my means to purchase. However, they were reissued in the EMI Classics for Pleasure series (CFP 40036, CFP 40375, and CFP 40093). These were not exact reissues of the original albums since the repertoire was arranged differently across the different reissues. CFP 40375, for example, combined the Bolero and Rapsodie espagnole (from volume 1) with Le Tombeau de Couperin, Menuet Antique, and Alborada del gracioso (all from volume 4). Fortunately, these were pretty inexpensive, relatively easy to find, and also sounded quite good.
... which brings me to the current day. As I posted back in March, I recently took an interest in the French HMV (La Voix de Son Maitre, VSM) and Columbia discography. I wish I knew more about the deeper history behind the relationship between UK and French EMI (and if any of you have any greater insight into this, please do share in the comments below), but from what I understand, the Cluytens/PCO Ravel performances were recorded between 1961 and 1962 at the Salle Wagram in Paris, France by Pathe Marconi. Rene Challan was the producer, and Walter Ruhlmann is credited as the recording engineer (interesting fact: Ruhlmann was co-nominated with Paul Vavasseur for a Grammy award for Best Engineered Album for his work on Poulenc's Concerto for Organ, Strings, and Timpani [Columbia SAX 2445]). The recordings were then released by Columbia in the UK, French Columbia in France, and Angel in the USA. I hypothesized that the French Columbia releases might be a more affordable way to get as close to the originals of these recordings. To my pleasant surprise, I discovered that, although they weren't steals, they sold for quite a bit less than the UK originals on the used LP market. After doing some research and shopping around, these are the ones that I managed to pick up, all four for a mere fraction of the price of ONE of the four UK SAX releases. None of them are first stereo pressings, but they bear matrix numbers that look very similar to those of the French first pressings.
Matrix numbers: YLX 1093 21 / 1094 21 D
Matrix numbers: YLX 1103 21E / 1104 21 C
Matrix numbers: YLX 1105 22D / 1106 22D
Matrix numbers: YLX 1113 21E / 1114 21D
The Electric Recording Company (ERC) also reissued the Cluytens Ravel recordings as a luxurious 150 copy limited edition set in 2020 (ERC0061). These were sold for £1450 ($1886). Anyone own one of these?
- The Skrowaczewski/Minnesota Orchestra box set on Vox (QSVBX 5133) was released in 1975 and is, in my opinion, excellent. One of the great recordings supervised by the team of Joanna Nickrenz (producer) and Marc Aubort (recording engineer). It might be my favorite in terms of overall sound. With a more laid back presentation and wider and deeper soundstage, it has a different sonic signature compared with that of the Cluytens set. Analogue Productions produced an audiophile vinyl reissue of this set in 1992 that has been highly praised.
- The 1975 Ozawa/Boston Symphony Orchestra box set on Deutsche Grammophon (2740 120) can generally be found for cheap. I found mine years ago for $3.99 USD. Beautiful performances with an orchestra that also had a long history of playing French music. Decent sound, even though I am generally not a huge fan of the later DG orchestral releases on vinyl. The digital versions sound great.
- The 1975 Martinon/Orchestre de Paris box set on EMI (SLS 5016) is a nice alternative with a French orchestra that has its own unique sound. Considered by some to be a reference recording.
I am so glad to see your collection of French EMIs growing! I have nothing to add to your observations on the Cluytens records, but let me add something to the alternatives you mention: The Skrowaczewski records are fabulous, but I tend to disagree with the general consensus about that audiophile reissue from Analogue Productions (APC 007). Yes, it is very dynamic and bass-heavy, perfect if you want to impress your buddies with your stereo system-but it is not Ravel. The complicated and so delicate orchestral textures are drowned in an avalanche of heavy brass and percussion, it doesn't sound like Ravel, it sounds like Mussorgsky or Bruckner or some other bombastic heavy-metal-classic composer. I bought this record, heard it once and am putting it for sale on ebay.
ReplyDeleteThe Ozawa Ravel was produced by Tom Mowrey and was recorded in Quadraphonic sound. For the stereo master only the 2 front channels were used. For the last two years DG has been reissuing these records in new remasters, this time using the 2 back channels two and downmixing them to a two channels stereo master. The results are astounding, we can only hope Ozawa's Ravel will have the same treatment some time soon. Incidentally, the small Valois label was already following this procedure for their chamber music recordings in the 70s, I can't, for the life of me, understand why DG was so cheap back then.
Dear Kostaszag, it is great to hear from you as always. Thank you for sharing your experience with the AP reissue of the Skrowaczewski set. I eyed that years ago before I decided upon the original Vox set instead for $11 USD, but your comments reaffirm my decision. One of the characteristics I truly enjoy about the Skrowazewski Ravel recordings is how natural and balanced they sound. I would not want to hear that altered.
DeleteThis is the second time that you have mentioned how impressed with the new DG remasters, which reminds me think that I ought to take a try with one of these sometime soon. If they do decide to release the Ozawa Ravel, I am pretty sure I would consider purchasing it. I am not familiar with the Valois label - was that an independent French label?
Valois was indeed a small independent French Label specialising in chamber music. Their best known product should be the recordings of the Vegh Quartet, notably the Beethoven String Quartets, which should be one of the best recordings out there-certainly the best for recorded sound. There is a Wikipedia article on its founder, Michel Bernstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bernstein
DeleteAh, yes, the Vegh Quartet Beethoven quartet recordings! I have only heard those on CD by never on vinyl. Are the Valois issues of those the ones to look for?
DeleteYeap, these are the ones. If you are patient you can get single records or the second edition complete box for reasonable money-I got mine for 120Euros plus shipping.
DeleteHave you encountered WRC ST910 yet?
ReplyDeleteIt's the Cluytens Debussy Jeux/Images - but it has a recut side (S1 Pathe/S2 -1G).
Yes, indeed! I'm hoping to include this in an upcoming post in the WRC series.
DeleteJust confirmed that my copy has the recut side with Pathe matrix numbers as you mentioned above.
DeleteAnother fantastic post. I got hold of a few Cluytens/Ravel CFP's a few months back to give them a try but I must admit they leave me pretty cold. I'm impressed by your French EMI's Cluytens strategy certainly more successful than my short lived plan. I thought I had cracked it when I came across in the wild a lovely sounding CX English pressing magic notes copy of Vol 3. As I love mono I thought I would just pick up early Cluyten monos but it didn't take me long to realise I was at least a decade too late! The only other Cluytens I have picked up was the above mentioned ST910, which has a few condition problems but a lot more enjoyable than the CFP.'s I had a look at my side one which has YLX and M6 243401, I don't know if that is Pathe or not? The details about the recording sessions was extremely informative as I had wondered who was responsible when listening to the highly dynamic CX.
ReplyDeleteDear Analogue Anorak,
DeleteIt is great as always to hear from you! You must've been reading my mind because I just put up a new post this morning on none other than ST910, which you mentioned above. It's a wonderful reissue indeed. I think that the YLX and M6 243401 would most likely make side one a Pathe. The other question I have is about side 2 - with a 1G matrix number. I thought that was a UK matrix, but it looks different than the matrix numbers listed for the UK SAX on Discogs (which also look like Pathe matrix numbers). Like you, I'd love to get a little more clarity on this as well!
I am glad to hear that you like the Cluytens mono! I recently saw that Cluytens and the PCO released a French Columbia mono recording of four Ravel works in the mid-late 1950s, all on one LP (FCX 706). This session predates the 1960s sessions. I wonder how it sounds in comparison.
Last week I bought CVB 836, a French Columbia with the Ravel Piano Concertos. Soloist is Samson Francois, accompanied by Andre Cluytens and the Paris Conservatoire Orchestra. The record could be considered as the necessary supplement to Cluytens΄ Recording of the complete Orchestral Pieces. The original SAXF 836 commands high prices, though not as high as the British SAX 2394 (you can have it for a meagre 200 pounds british, which is in the time of this writing equivalent to 258 USD). My copy set me back 15 Euros, has the same matrix number as the French original and sounds amazing-oh, the bass of this orchestra and piano, the forwardness, the clarity! And the interpretation, the way these musicians play! It is simply amazing, a must for every music lover!
ReplyDeleteDear Kostaszag,
DeleteThank you for sharing! I also recently picked up the French Columbia pressing of the Samson Francois Ravel piano concertos recording and couldn’t agree with you more! A much better value than the UK SAX! Check out our latest post from today, which, incidentally is on a similar subject!
I was fortunate to stumble across in a charity shop the original sax 2476-9 B/S box set and the records are all NM they play beautifully. They are for sale on Facebook marketplace
ReplyDeleteWhat a discovery! I’m sure you will find a willing buyer of the set!
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