Taking the “The Sound Floor”
Prelude:
I’ve been away from writing reviews on the site because my
system was undergoing major sonic shifts affecting my LP’s relative sound rankings.
The major change was the use of low ultra-low noise LT1028’s for my ancient LF353N
integrated circuits in my crossover which I’ll detail later. I wrote the rough draft of this in November
and just as I was about to finish my subwoofer amplifier decided that it needed
the same attention as its crossover. It
did this by failing without any visual evidence. I’ll get into the details later, but the amp
has now been through two stages of changes with more to come. These involve the storied Black Gate
capacitors. The sound is stable and much
improved now so I’ve decided to get back to this article.
“The Sound Floor”:
The great Arthur Salvatore of Supreme Recordings fame is the
father of this mythological audiophile concept. See the Salvatore Sound Floor. It is the dominant sonic attribute in determining an LP’s greatness. It is only mythological in that
the typical Electrical Engineering precepts and measurements do not corroborate
the findings. It is audio science
(another mythological concept). By that
I mean those with experienced ears can discern the effects on sound and convey
those findings. High End Audio
engineering is both art and science, but only because the conventionally not
measureable art has not been properly explored.
What follows is an initial delving into the subject.
Salvatore states that the Sound Floor is a related, but very
different concept from signal to noise ratio and noise floor. Salvatore attributes sound floor to shortness
of signal path combined with good noise floor performance. My own recent experiences in this area have
led me to a more conservative approach. In
essence, I believe noise floor and signal to noise ratio do well explain much
of this phenomena. One also needs to
look at bass control as a major factor.
Dynamics and timbral accuracy also are of great importance. I would submit that these four, sound floor,
bass control, dynamics, and timbral accuracy are largely independent sonic
attributes.
I own quite a few of the top Supreme Recordings from the
divinity and demi-god lists. Though always
excellent records, I did not think they were great. My tune has changed recently due to an
unexpected improvement in my system from a recent modification. My system has a separate active crossover for
its bass/subwoofer section, the integrated circuits of which I just
upgraded. The final switch from LF353N’s
to LT1028’s (adapted) made a gigantic improvement in my noise floor and suddenly
the Salvatore Gods came alive. (It blows my mind that this solid state
component was the weak link in an all tube system outside the subwoofers, but
it was an additional gain stage.)
The Gods that came alive were sound/noise floor performance. One can hear with most of these Salvatore
discs their blatant superiority in this area.
Backgrounds are black, treble has the finest detail, and you can just
hear that the sound is more alive.
Alive, not in an immediate, or dynamic sense per se, but just in a
“Sound Floor” way which is all about the blackness of background allowing subtle
detail and micro dynamics come to the fore.
Sound floor is a very addictive sonic attribute to be sure, especially
since it is hard to put your finger on exactly what it is doing, let alone
describe it. It is all encompassing and
Mr. Salvatore’s list of Supreme Recordings is principally driven by it and is an impressive
codification of what is available (Salvatore might be the large criosphinx above while this reviewer's thoughts might be the eagle in his presence).
A Brief Interlude:
As mentioned in the prelude above, I also have been forced
to finally address my venerable Electron Kinetics Eagle 2A amplifier (a great
subwoofer amp). After 25 years of
flawless operation, one of the main 80,000uF filter supply caps failed, taking
out the bridge rectifier. I had been
planning to get the recap kit for the amp for some time, but since I’d taken
the trouble to make a crude schematic many years ago I decided to roll my own
capacitors. The failed cap was the
priciest and I was lucky that my good friend Dr. T had a free pair of Hitachi 140,000uF
(yes!) and a dremel tool to assist my hack saw in cutting down the posts and screws
to fit in the Eagle chassis.
The bigger
change was the IXYS hexfred bridge rectifier.
I believe this was a significant upgrade and was responsible for the
bulk of the change in sound. The change
was further improved noise floor performance.
The refreshed larger caps I suspect accounted for a little tighter bass,
but it also might have been a bit slow.
So, the quest for replacement and upgrade of the remaining capacitors
began.
After much research, I realized that the quantities and
prices for the Super Gold ARSA Silmic II caps I was looking for on eBay were
adding up, so I decided to investigate Black Gate Capacitors which I had ruled
out. For those unaware, Black Gate has
been out of production for nearly ten years.
They were true audiophile electrolytic capacitors using graphite
particles based on a patented design.
I
researched the heated debates tinged with religious fervor (Dr. T electrical
engineering types versus the “Audio Fools”).
With the Black Gate promise of dramatically lower noise floor, I was sold
given the strides I’d been making in this area.
My Eagle is unlikely to ever be replaced in my current speaker system,
so I saw no reason not to spend a few more bucks on such a deserving amplifier.
At this point, Black Gate C Series Capacitors have replaced
four 2.2uf ($10 each) and two 47uf 50v ($25 each) caps. The next stage will be eight 22uF PK Black
Gates ($5 each) and two 1000uF FK’s (very hard to find, used only $10 each!). The final stage (which will involve some
engineering help) will be to replace the single channel LF351N’s with LT1028
(TO5 cans on hand now). The LT1028’s
will need bypass caps from plus to minus and I’ve acquired some more
unobtainium in the form of a pair of 0.1uF Black Gate NX Hi-Q capacitors ($15
each). I’ve also got a pair of the 22uF
PK for a position in my active subwoofer crossover.
I’d like to get eight filter supply caps for the crossover if all this goes
well, but that is stupid money at $125 each and over five times the already
controversial original retail prices.
It has taken some time for just the Black Gate C Series Capacitors to
break in (and it has been as arduous a process as described
elsewhere). They have delivered in big
ways. Always in the past cap changes
have been subtle and nothing to get overly excited about especially given that
fresh caps do improve the sound some. Well, Err, ah, Black Gates are a whole new ball game.
The esteemed Martin Colloms claims they are better than most polypropylene
film capacitors. All I can say is that
they completely obliterate the typical garden variety electrolytic (and I
suspect handily trounce the likes of Oscon, Silmic, Cerafine, etc.). The
noise/sound floor is hugely improved (likely some synergy here with the IXYS
bridge and LT1028s) and everything else is like a dream. My reservations about the LT1028 bass being
too lean have been obliterated. The
perceived slowness of the massive Hitachi filter caps; obliterated. Not only is noise floor performance greatly
enhanced, but a tube rightness has been restored to many of the vintage LP’s in
my collection. It is as if the Eagle
amplifier, while improving greatly in bass and treble dynamics along with
control and definition, also has become more tube like (bridge rectifiers and
Black Gates). (Pardon me, but it is old hat with
these speakers, but I’ve consistently found that changes in how a system
projects bass affect the entire perceived sound including the midrange and the
treble.) I am excited to continue
recapping as the Black Gates have been game changers. If all goes well with the continued changes I
will be able to recap large parts of my line and phono stage power supplies
with black gates for original retail price (five times or more the price of a
typical electrolytic, but peanuts compared to other capacitor upgrades like
V-Cap Teflon.)
And now back to Sound Floor:
Where might I demur from the Salvatore mythos? Well, I also got a big boost on the digital
front (for which I care little) from these changes. I recently acquired a pioneer Blu-ray player
for its superb DAC’s. These Wolfson
DAC’s sport a 117 dB signal to noise ratio (never mind the budget ICs behind
them and extensive circuitry). Hardly
high end, but I could easily hear a nice difference on this with some of the
Silvestri CD’s from the EMI artist set reviewed on this site. True, not as good as the Salvatore Gods, but
one wonders with some pricier, lower noise ICs backing the Wolfson what might
happen (of course the master tapes, would be 68 dB at best). Here we have a very long signal path after the Wolfson with far too many stages and yet the noise floor numbers do translate. (As an aside I'll mention that the gap between vinyl and CD has widened with all of these improvements, especially the black gates.) In
summary, I would say that the Salvatore mythos misses out on identifying this
truly as only a noise floor phenomenon while blending in some other principals
of component selection (shortness of signal path). We need to also discuss bass control,
dynamics, and timbral accuracy.
For me, bass control is probably the second most critical
component sonic attribute. If the sound
chain (both recording and playback) does not define the bass well, instruments
are not fleshed out. Without a proper
bass foundation, perceived treble clarity and extension also will suffer (an
acoustic phenomenon). With a tubey bass or ill-defined bass, one can achieve
some interesting sound effects particularly in the midrange and often this is
the golden glow we hear with tubes and early stereo tube recordings. (EMI by far has the tightest bass of the
golden age labels). It can be very nice
and one may optimize a system for these recordings, but the ill-defined bass
will undermine more modern recordings.
An example would the original Vanguard Plow that Broke the Plains or the
Analog Production reissue (review forthcoming).
Despite some great things going one with this LP when the massed strings
come in at the end of this piece, one is left with an ill-defined blob of
strings. Nothing can rescue this as it
is on the tape, but fortunately most of the LP sounds quite magical with this
tubey signature. I suspect dynamics
might even be enhanced by this coloration, but this may be an advantage of
perhaps higher voltage tube circuitry in the signal path which would aid dynamics. The great Salvatore’s inclusion of the
Vanguard Plow makes me wonder if his reference system is exemplar in low bass
and definition. My preliminary listens
to many of the EMI on his list indicates they are under ranked (yeah EMI!)
Timbral accuracy fleshes out the overtones of instruments
and is a fine detail often lost due to imperfect turntable motor performance
and other vibrations throughout the sound chain. Here, Salvatore’s shorter signal paths (tubes
based circuits) come into play with less opportunity for vibrational
mayhem. Remember, any AC signal puts out
a field. Vibrations can interact with
these fields and the AC signal will be affected. Many theories abound on Capacitors and other
components and I will not detail something this well known. Inherently, the length of solid state chains
even with good noise floor performance tends to have negative impacts in the
timbral area from a host of issues.
Fortunately, solid bass is key to instrumental definition, so often
solid state can achieve adequate timbral performance. This is a most confusing area as tube
recordings with ill-defined bass sometimes have a heightened sense of harmonics
that while often a beautiful coloration, does not match anything heard live in
my experience.
Dynamics are also important.
To be sure macro dynamics are well known and of importance
(Salvatore). This is one of the hardest
things for a playback chain to achieve.
However, often overlooked are micro-dynamics. It has been a while since I’ve thought much
of it, but generally here is an area where tubes often have advantages. At best a solid state device can deliver
double its rated power at for a dynamic peak.
For tube units, ten times the rated power might be possible. This has much to do with the liveliness of
tube based chains. Generally, the
Salvatore Gods may have some micro dynamic weaknesses due to their generally
solid state recording chains. Things
like ½ speed mastering can help.
(Unfortunately, more power always means worse noise floor performance. Higher sensitivity speakers also project more
noise. Balance is needed.) The Black Gate capacitors are strong in both
types of dynamics and this might be attributed to their patented design’s
alleged speed of power delivery.
I have much listening and comparisons to do in the upcoming
months. Unfortunately, the arduous Black
Gate break in period for the upcoming changes is going to make this a trying
period for review. I am still leery that
there may be a point with Black Gates where one reaches the point of too much
of a good thing, hence the need for a more plodding methodical approach. I may do a general post on my current
thinking on Lyrita, EMI, Decca, RCA, etc. rather than detailed reviews for
which I would like to have a more stable reference system. I will also have to update some previous
postings and review as these awesome sound floor improvements have been great for
some LPs while others have experienced much less improvement (the reviewed
Nonesuch stands out.)
Miles -- thanks for your detailed thoughts on this intangible concept of sound floor. I also struggle with this idea, as I listen to LP after LP and ask myself what is it precisely that makes an album so engaging to listen to. Terminology is thrown around all the time to put words on these sensory phenomena, and as eloquently as reviewers can put it, it's not always possible to hear what they hear.
ReplyDeleteLike you, I've also had some changes take place to my setup at home. Since my last formal review, gone is the Rega RP6, replaced with my beloved VPI Aries that was in storage in Chicago for the last six years. Swapped cartridges and added a used Lyra Delos with not too many hours on it, meanwhile upgrading my phono stage to a Parasound JC3. For about 4 weeks, I temporarily had a Herron VTPH-1 in place of the Parasound, which allowed me to experience the sound of tubes in my system for the first time ever. I certainly heard things with this phono amp that I didn't hear with the Parasound: a certain tangibility to the midrange, for one. I relistened to some of those golden age RCAs, Deccas, Mercuries, and EMIs, and with many of them, it was like listening to them for the first time. The VTPH has moved into my office system, and with the JC3 back at home, I've been trying to do some comparisons. For certain, I may have to modify some of my prior reviews on this blog, since there are now many features that are becoming apparent to me that were not before. Most of them are for the better.
Will be very interested in hearing your upcoming thoughts and reviews with your new Blackgates broken in.
Changes can be very maddening. The Herron's tube sound sound, yet with a low noise jfet greeting the signal from the cartridge, will be very different from the Parasound's cleanness. My system at one point had 42 tubes in it a year ago (and if the power supplies had been unmodded, it could have been 60 tubes). I've always considered myself a kind of super tweaker, but have always been too busy to sink my teeth into the process. For the last 18 months I've been much more aggressive. The short story is that with these changes I've achieved some very interesting sounds, much like the comparison between the Parasound and Herron.
ReplyDeleteAt one peak, I've had shimmering strings with wonderful extension. Too good to be true, but very flattering especially with many of the early Nonesuch. One just sat there listening to textures. This was back when I was still using a tube crossover.
The big changes recently were stimulated by hearing a solid state Vandersteen system distantly related to my own. It ate my bass for breakfast and the quest began. The aforementioned Dr. T suggested I put the solid state crossover back in (which I did not think my preamp could drive). I was not happy with much of the change, but undeniably many things were better. At that point I resolved to chuck the whole tube crossover thing for the time being and pursue improving the solid state crossover as much as possible. My long term kind of guiding principle had always been to take the tubes to a more solid state like sound. However the tuning of the system with the tube crossover in place had led to the above super tube sound and a swing back to some unique and wonderful tube sound eccentricities. With the solid state crossover back in place I've been back on the track of increased resolution and control, a more solid state sound. One of the great surprises with the Black Gates and the IXYS bridge has been the recapturing of a different kind of tube purity I've had on previous systems, a sound I previously associated as euphonic and not accurate (I need to listen to some old friends, i.e. LSC 1984, Munch/Ravel which had on one and only one occasion achieved hypnotic sound.) Of course, the jaw dropper has been the path towards lower noise. The IXYS and Black Gates have really changed my audio world.
Lengthy update today at the end.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info. Do you have a link to the Acoustic Fields videos you mention?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.acousticfields.com/
ReplyDeleteI don't see how to get on their mailing service. I would view a couple videos and it may prompt you for that. I highly recommend it.if you don't stumble upon that your email them and ask for it.I did something where I marked and measured the response at all all the nodes around around my tool and I don't see the link for that on the site now
On the Vox a big over site. Acoustic Sounds now has the analog productions 180g of APC 007 Ravel. It is side 4 and 8 of the original 4 LP Vox box. The pictured reference master cut is side 3 and side 7. Murray Hill has a 5 LP that adds Abbey Simon doing piano concerto in G and For the Left Hand. I've been underwhelmed by my copy of the original Vox Box (Quadraphonic release) despite its presence on the TAS Super Disc list. I'll be checking this out and a single LP turnabout release of the Bolero disc. Might have to get the Recut as well.
ReplyDeleteI do have some EMI reissues of some of the Cluytens set and they have not impressed. The original Columbia is quite rare so don't miss out on ebay auction where the start bid is just $2500. I just got the analog productions disc (and another for a friend) for $30 each. I'm a munch man at hear and the original LSC in a good copy is a fine LP, but Analog Productions has just reissued that one as well and now just $35. The Munch is a must have and perhaps a review should be done as I've got quite a few lackluster copies. Ravel showdown must be done!
I agree that those EMI Cluytens reissues (Classics for Pleasure) may be a mixed bag but are still a very affordable way to hear these great recordings on vinyl. I wanted to do a post about this a couple of years ago but never got to it. I do have the Testament box set reissue of the complete Cluytens set (bought it on Acoustic Sounds for $100 a few years back) and that is very nice. It may not sound exactly like the originals but the vinyl is probably a lot quieter.
DeleteI believe we have reviewed at least one of the Munch Ravel recordings on this site.
Meant to post this in fairest label thread and have done so now.
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Have been enjoying isobaric goodness with Magnepan 1.7 based system and owner tried my Placette remote volume control for their line stage and it was great. Lot less circuitry in his signal path and a better volume control as well. His modified Ayre drove the passive Placette extremely well despite the subwoofer amplifier being a 12k load on top of Placette's 9K value! Was an astounding change and he bought the Placette unit with 3 inputs and 2 outputs.
ReplyDeleteThe Placette is a nice piece of equipment. I owned one for a few months before I switched to a configuration of Coincident phono stage going direct to Coincident Frankensteins with no line stage in between.
DeleteThe coincident has a built in passive and I wonder if it can be bypassed so one could use Placette's superior resistor technology. One would want to measure what value the Coincident uses for its passive pot. Having the pot in the phono stage keeps connection length down and then all one needs to do is keep rca to amp at a minimum. Do you use inputs on the Coincident so other devices are using its passive pot for volume?
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